No grinding. Just use my hands and lather up the soap then continue for about 40 seconds working into face, head, hair, neck, ears, chest. I read somewhere that bacteria only get killed of after washing for this length of time. Sometimes i rub the bar on my head (my hair is really short). I use Dr Bonners bars or similar. It’s strange because before using rosiver this would have dried my skin out. Now i just apply a good amount of cerave moisturizer afterwards, including on my scalp, and my skin does not get dry or flakey. Even my dandruff has cleared up.
My thinking is that bacteria might be lurking on the body somewhere other than the face which is why i wash everywhere really well rather than just the face. It has the added advantage of never any body odor. Your partners will no doubt like that.
Holy crap! There are other people suffering from this with me! A little info about myself:
I’m 38 years old, and a man. I was successfully able to escape puberty with exactly 4 zits throughout my entire adolescence (yes, I’m bragging). About a year and a half ago, I noticed a small pimple with a hard nodule attached to it, and once I brushed off that nodule it started oozing. I’ve been fighting this gross, crusty, oozing thing ever since. I’ve been to 3 separate dermatologists, been diagnosed with Acne Vulgaris and have had acne creams and washes thrown at me, but not a single dr has taken the time to actually listen to what I’m saying.
Reading through this forum I feel comfortable saying that I’m shocked. Shocked that this is CLEARLY affecting many people, but there isn’t a single clear diagnosis. WE’VE PUT PEOPLE ON THE MOON, BUT CAN’T DIAGNOSE A SKIN ISSUE!?!?
My mother in law gave my wife some Triamcinolone cream that seems like it helps (in that I’m taking some action against this enemy) but it feels like my skin has gotten thinner and less supple
There are good and bad bacteria. Good bacteria play an important role in health, especially those in the gut. Good bacteria on the skin for example, help to prevent bad bacteria from colonizing it.
Regular soap (a surfactant) doesn’t kill bacteria, but lowers surface tension, which makes it easier to flush things (including bacteria) from the skin. But disinfectants do have the capability to kill bacteria, for example a chlorhexidine solution that also acts like a soap. (Which I have just on my face to try to get rid of the disease.)
But soaps can also remove part of the natural skin barrier protection (acid mantle).
Personally (for my case), I belief in being gentle for the skin (protecting its natural barrier), by moisturizing it and not using soap on the face.
I did try harsh things like bacteria decolonization by taking complete body bleach baths, but without possitive results. There is no clear evidence that bacteria play a role in this disease. Although I cannot rule it out. I still think demodex may play a role, maybe together in symbiosis with some bacteria. But that’s just a theory.
Personally I’m still clean since about 15 months ago. I wash my face twice a day, just with tap cold or lukewarm tap water, and apply Cetaphil moisturizer afterwards.
Is it still that one pimple that is causing problems? Or do you have multiple pimples/lesions that randomly appear/disappear on some areas on the face? (This last symptom is what most of us here have.)
I have a bad experience with triamcinolone. It did clear my face up, only while using it, but when I stopped (by trying to reduce it slowly), it gave a rebound effect: it comes back temporary much worse and then the disease continues as was before. Also, triamcinolone is bad for the skin and body, so I wouldn’t use it for a long period of time.
If you have what most of us have, than you should go for Soolantra. (When you go for Soolantra, also read this, to minimize a possible initial breakout: Bad first reaction )
Thanks for the information Tso. All I can say is that my daily ritual seems to work for me. I don’t think I’m using anything harsh so I’ll keep doing the same thing and let you all know how things go. As the medical profession seems a bit lost with this condition I’m not sure the science is quite there to give us the answers we need.
Maybe it isn’t the soap itself that’s helping, but maybe you’re just really cleaning off that layer of lotion that was maybe creating a problem. Yours is kind of a conundrum. I bought some of that soap you mentioned and I like it a lot, but it is making me break out in very minor blemishes. With these things, you never know if it’s ‘die off’ or if your skin really can’t handle it.
Had this shit for months and I finally got rid of it myself it’s to infections fungal and bacterial use a cream like dackcort and pure oregano oil Zane Hellas undiluted trust me try all the shitty antibiotics and it kept coming back weekly now since I used this my beard area is clear and hair is growing bk also as soon as i stopped eating sugar I noticed the itch that is allways there has gone hope this helps